Re: Spinning NCLB "accountability" as civil rights: neocon girly manh...

[Ken <kpoppers@sbcglobal.net>]

You don't even have to be a citizen of the U.S. to have civil  
rights.  The constitution is supposed to apply to all those within  
the borders of the United States.  The only time you may lose your  
rights is when you are convicted of a crime, then the government may  
take you life, liberty or property.  Of course none of these are  
absolutes as we have seen over the past few years, but for the most  
part this still holds true.

Your 8 year old can exercise his rights, he just needs guidance in  
doing so.


Recent story about students' 1st amendment (civil rights):
http://www.contracostatimes.com/teens/ci_6600818


On Aug 11, 2007, at 6:25 AM, ElsaHaas wrote:

> I get your point, but I think the terminology is a little off. My  
> son, who
> is eight, is a "United States citizen." He might be a second-class  
> citizen,
> but he is a citizen. What he isn't is an adult, so - as you say -  
> he can't
> exercise his civil rights directly (because he can't file a lawsuit  
> on his
> own, etc.).
>
> Elsa Haas
>
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> Subject: Re: [arn-l] Spinning NCLB "accountability" as civil  
> rights: neocon
> girly manh...
>
> "civil rights" is a synonym for "citizen rights."  Citizens always  
> have been
>
> and always will be people who qualify to vote. Children are the  
> dependents
> of
> citizens; they aren't citizens.  They can have rights of person and
> property,
> but they can't have civil rights. Their parents can and do have  
> civil rights
>
> in some nation, not always the US, and if there is something in the  
> nation's
>
> principles and laws that imply a right to certain educational services
> financed
> by the taxpayers, well then, the parents can exert the right, but  
> not the
> children.