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Re: Edison again



why wouldn't you send your kids to a military school? why is it ok to have
another parent send theirs? One way to solve the current crisis in our
country and in our schools is to decide that EACH CHILD deserves no less
than we would want for our own. It's not that I am against private schools
as much as I am opposed to a situation which allows us to treat children
differently, thus insuring them a lifetime as second class citizens. No one
should be allowed to have two books till all children have one, etc.
happy holidays to all
Judi
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From: Humes-Schulz <schumes@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Edison again


> As a long time lurker on this list, I am always amazed at the list serve's
> outrage when the "district" imposes top down, one size fits all models on
> teachers....yet when parents try to advocate for choices for their
> children -- whether through charters, vouchers, home schooling,
takeovers --
> the list serve erupts again at the outrageousness of these ideas which
> contradict the conventional norm.
>
> Well, bring 'em on -- let the parents decide what's best for their
> children.
>
> If I were a parent in an inner city school and some organization said
they'd
> paint the walls, fix the broken glass, fix the broken furnace, put doors
on
> the bathroom stalls, provide a physically safe environment for my kids,
> remove the rodents (the 4 legged kind) from the cafeteria....AND bring in
> enough reading books of whatever brand name or flavor of the month, I'd
meet
> them at the door with a brass band.
>
> While most of us on this list would always choose progressive,
> constructivist, child-centered education models for OUR children, we
should
> not impose those values on OTHER people's children. Folks on the list got
> upset about Jerry Brown's military school charter -- well, my kids
wouldn't
> go there, but why should I preclude other parents from making that choice?
>
> I think parents choose the kinds of educational models that reflect their
> personal philosophy and values -- and many families are very
authoritarian,
> top down affairs. The messiness of a Deborah Meier learning environment
> would make those parents as crazy as the picture of 30 little students in
6
> neat rows with their spelling books open would make me.
>
> Let's make sure that we argue for freedom and choice for everyone, not
just
> teachers.
>
> Kathie Humes
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Assessment Reform Network Mailing List
> [mailto:ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU]On Behalf Of Peter Farruggio
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:12 AM
> To: ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Edison again
>
>
> Here's a partial answer to Eric Crump's question about Edison schools...
>
>
>
> They put an intial infusion of capital (gifts from ideological corporate
> donors) into refurbishing the physical plant. Carpeting, computers
> (including take-homes), etc. They hire brand-new, low salaried "teachers"
> who have no union protection, and who must obey orders. They prefer
> Success For All, which is highly scripted, as their Language Arts program.
>
> There has been some expose journalism on the troubles of the San Francisco
> Edison school during this past summer in the SF Bay Guardian alternative
> paper. For example here are some quotes from the July 19 article
>
> http://www.sfbg.com/News/34/42/42edison.html
>
> Frustrated by long hours, a rigid curriculum that emphasizes
> testing, and what they describe as a
> Big Brother atmosphere,
> teachers at Edison are abandoning what
> they initially saw as a
> welcome experiment. Even those who
> accepted the concept of a
> corporate schoolhouse now say ESI's
> cookie-cutter, bottom-line
> mentality harms everything from
teacher
> morale to student
> development and diversity.
>
> "We feel like we were disposable
> teachers," said physical
> education teacher Kathy Fleming, who
is
> leaving Edison. "They
> think that they can just plug anybody
> in - any human thing with a
> pulse - train them, and that's it. But
> that's not the case. These kids
> are challenging. They need strong,
> consistent, highly skilled
> adults."
>
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> ****************************************************
>
> The school's test scores continue to soar, and teachers note
> some signs of progress. But with
> massive workloads and a
> restrictive corporate philosophy,
> Rebecca Aviel says, "Edison is
> a devastating place to be a teacher.
> The children, in the end, are
> going to suffer." Aviel quit teaching
> fourth grade at Edison in
> December.
>
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> *********************************************************
> Working for ESI has its "perks," such as stock options and slightly
> higher pay than public schools offer.
> But teachers say the added
> money doesn't compensate for Edison's
> wearying workload - a
> full one-third more than that of
public
> schools.
>
> Last year Edison teachers worked 205
> days, 24 more than San
> Francisco's public school teachers. On
> each of those days,
> Edison class time ran one to two hours
> longer. Teachers were
> also required to work one Saturday a
> month. Added together, that
> amounts to more than 50 additional
days
> of work - though Edison
> salaries were only slightly higher.
> (Under a recent agreement,
> Edison promised teachers a 2 percent
> pay hike and a 10 percent
> reduction in work time.)
>
> Plus, teachers say their schedules
were
> constantly booked with
> meetings, forcing them to do all their
> prep work after hours.
>
> "It was exhausting for the kids and
the
> teachers," said first-grade
> teacher Anastasia Crocker, who is
> leaving Edison.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 07:19 AM 12/23/00, you wrote:
> >I don't know much about how the Edison schools actually operate. Can
> >anybody shed any light on their practices, who they hire, how they tend
to
> >structure their learning environments, what teaching methods they favor?
> >
> >--Eric Crump
> >
>
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