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*Subject*: Re: math vs. computation (TIMSS)*From*: "George N. Schmidt" <Csubstance@AOL.COM>*Date*: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 05:24:00 EST*Reply-to*: Assessment Reform Network Mailing List <ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU>*Sender*: Assessment Reform Network Mailing List <ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU>

February 24, 2002

1. Agreed with all. Without the test, we can't discuss much. Unicorn studies,

something we should avoid here.

2. Any test out of Chicago that involves math scores might have to factor in

the immigrant difference. Back before high stakes, when I was teaching at

Amundsen High School (never fewer than 25 languages and 40 nations

represented among our students) I got in the habit of checking the IYBS

"Reading" and "Math" scores. Those scores, in percentile form, used to be

printed beside the kids' names in the attendance book, before Organized

Students of Chicago got the data removed.

Immigrant kids who had math scores that were significantly higher than their

language arts scores were many.

Much of math (when the math test wasn't also a "reading" test) can be done

well by children who don't read (or write or understand) English very well.

Hope this helps.

George Schmidt

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