Re: would you believe

[JP Bottini <jpbottini@ADELPHIA.NET>]

Re: would you believeMICHELLE - MICHELLE - MICHELLE
Please, email me direct at: jpbottini@adelphia.net in regard to your message to B"H where you began with an Amen to Margaret, and Ken!
Thanks.  Joe Bottini (retired school teacher)
Don't let the retired part make you think I am too old and uncool to respond.  Thanks!!!!!!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michelle in Nevada 
  To: ARN-L@listsrva.CUA.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:58 PM
  Subject: Re: would you believe


  B"H

  Amen to Margaret, and Ken!

  What bugs me about all this "Ten Commandment" posting stuff is that they are using Xtian translations of the Commandments.  Those translations are extremely offensive to me.

  The only way I would accept such a "posting" would be if the Ten Commandments were posted in their original form (Hebrew) with no translation used.

  Of course, I don't think there is any room for the mixture of church and state anyway.  As you said, Margaret, so eloquently, it is coercion.  Those commandments are not "universal" to everyone.  After all, the first, and (to me) most important commandment, is that there is one G-d.  This is not an acceptable concept to Hindus, for example.  This is an attempt to establish a state religion.  

  I, myself, am tired of all the extra state money paid for Xmas trees and lights in my own college.  Do you think I could complain?  No Way!  I would have the entire population of my city after me.  I would be "intolerant" of their religion . . . even though three is no mention of any other holiday  . . .  and thousands of dollars of my tax money is being wasted for these garish displays of religious observance.  Oh, yeah, they aren't religious!  I forgot!  They are all Santa Claus and trees, no religion, right?  Hello!  Santa is a SAINT and the tree is a SYMBOL.  

  Who do they think they are kidding, anyway?

  Michelle



    From: Margaret Davis <margd@FLASH.NET>
    Subject: Re: would you believe




    >Sen Warren Barry's original bill would hae required students to recite the Pledge on penalty of suspension.  As it currently stand, the school dos a recitation of the pledge, but no student is compelled to recite it > 



    Excuse me MR. Bernstein, 

    Do you know how hard it is to SIT during the prayer at the opening of our school board meetings when the whole room stands and bows their head while one of our trustees prays in the name of Jesus?  Then everyone in the room remains standing while they recite the pledge....do you know how hard it is to stand so as to replace the word REPUBLIC with the word DEMOCRACY so loud that others can hear you?  It's very difficult for me to do this....BUT I DO IT. 

    You mean to tell me that a child is not compelled to follow when I see a room full of so called ADULTS *compelled*?            

                      ...sir - this is coercion. 

    international incident????   cuz   IT'S WRONG.... this is very similar to the subtle acceptance of a MOMENT OF SILENCE as a compromise to school prayer. 


    Margaret
    http://aisdinuniforms.org
    ~~~~~~~
    Whatever crushes individuality is despotism, by whatever name it may be called and whether it professes to be enforcing the will of God or the injunctions of men.      John Stuart Mill........"On Liberty", 1859






      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: kber <mailto:kber@EARTHLINK.NET>  
      Subject: Re: would you believe

      actually, Mickey, you are slightly incorrect 

      Sen Warren Barry's original bill would hae required students to recite the Pledge on penalty of suspension.  As it currently stand, the school dos a recitation of the pledge, but no student is compelled to recite it 

      I might further note that since some of the children in the school I teach are children of the foreing dipomatic core or foreigners working at places like the World Bank, requring recitation for the Pledge could well cause an international incident 

      as far asthe 10 commandments -  it may ahv been proposed, but I don't see them posted anyplace in my school. 

      Ken Bernstein 

      Mickey VanDerwerker wrote: 

        In a message dated 1/17/2002 9:26:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, kber@EARTHLINK.NET writes: 


          The state (of 
          which a public school is considered a part) can therefore not compel any 
          recitation that is not part of instruction.

         

        Virginia compels the pledge and almost passed legislation last year mandating the posting of "in god we trust" in all schools. They are back this year with mandatory posting of the ten commandments.  That'll make kids behave right. 
        Mickey