Re: CA - Marion Joseph leaves board

[Allen Flanigan <aflanigan@comcast.net>]

George,

I think you are confusing an "educator" (someone skilled in teaching) with
an administrator; it is like calling a member of a board of directors of a
hospital a "physician" even if they have never seen a patient.

Allen Flanigan

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George K Cunningham" <gkc@louisville.edu>
To: <arn-l@interversity.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [arn-l] CA - Marion Joseph leaves board


> Karen,
>
> I didn't realize there was such a rigid definition of who was an
> educator.  I do believe that Marion Joseph has had a more positive
> effect on California education than any other educator (or parent, grand
> parent, school board member, individual or whichever term you prefer).
> I think that entitles her to be called an educator.
>
> George K. Cunningham
> University of Louisville
>
> >>> kvscanty@pacbell.net 01/16/03 05:48PM >>>
> George,
>
> I'm not sure I have this right but since when does a person who was an
> Executive assistant to the State Superintendent of Public Instruction
> and political organizer become an "educator?"  I served on a school
> board for 12 years and I certainly don't consider myself an
> educator...as far as I know, Marion did some tutoring in Sacramento at
> some point in her career but can't find any information anywhere that
> she was ever in a classroom or has a teaching degree or credential -
> until she walked into her grandson's classroom and because he was
> struggling with reading, she became a crusader for phonics...
>
> If I'm wrong, please correct me...
>
> Karen
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of George K Cunningham
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:20 PM
> To: arn-l@interversity.org
> Subject: Re: [arn-l] CA - Marion Joseph leaves board
>
> Monte,
>
> I could not disagree with you more.  I know Marion and have worked
> with
> her.  She is  the most effective, sincere, and knowledgeable educators
> I
> have ever met.  In the past, when panels were set up by the California
> Department of Education, there was an unwritten rule that there had to
> be some of Marion Josephs people on them.  When the panel dealt with
> measurement I often was appointed for that role.  I could not be
> prouder
> of being one of "Marion's people."
>
>
> George K. Cunningham
> University of Louisville
>
> >>> monty@fairtest.org 01/16/03 03:33PM >>>
> This is from Checker Finn's 'Gadfly' email newsletter praising the
> departing Marian Joseph. She has been in the forefront of the insane
> so-called standards in CA (that Susan Ohanian has so well skewered),
> phonics first last and aways programs, math as rules not thinking,
> heavy
> handed testing, and who knows what else. I suppose it would be lunacy
> to
> believe Gray Davis would appoint anyone any good to the Board, but
> he'll
> have to outdo himself to find someone worse.
> Monty Neill, Ed.D.
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