Marion Joseph

[Allen Flanigan <aflanigan@comcast.net>]

George,

I replied not to your original post, but to the one defending giving Marion
Joseph the honorific "educator".  I have no doubt that you truly believe her
to be an "effective, sincere, and knowledgeable educator", but I don't think
I need to add anything to the opinions already offered here from listmembers
in California and elsewhere who have more familiarity with her record and
tenure in the politics of CA education.

Allen Flanigan

----- Original Message -----
From: "George K Cunningham" <gkc@louisville.edu>
To: <arn-l@interversity.org>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [arn-l] CA - Marion Joseph leaves board


> Allen,
>
> So among all the praise I had for Marion, the only thing you disagree
> with is my characterization of her as an educator.
>
> George K. Cunningham
> University of Louisville
>
> >>> aflanigan@comcast.net 01/16/03 11:19PM >>>
> George,
>
> I think you are confusing an "educator" (someone skilled in teaching)
> with
> an administrator; it is like calling a member of a board of directors
> of a
> hospital a "physician" even if they have never seen a patient.
>
> Allen Flanigan
>
> Parent
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George K Cunningham" <gkc@louisville.edu>
> To: <arn-l@interversity.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [arn-l] CA - Marion Joseph leaves board
>
>
> > Karen,
> >
> > I didn't realize there was such a rigid definition of who was an
> > educator.  I do believe that Marion Joseph has had a more positive
> > effect on California education than any other educator (or parent,
> grand
> > parent, school board member, individual or whichever term you
> prefer).
> > I think that entitles her to be called an educator.
> >
> > George K. Cunningham
> > University of Louisville
> >
> > >>> kvscanty@pacbell.net 01/16/03 05:48PM >>>
> > George,
> >
> > I'm not sure I have this right but since when does a person who was
> an
> > Executive assistant to the State Superintendent of Public
> Instruction
> > and political organizer become an "educator?"  I served on a school
> > board for 12 years and I certainly don't consider myself an
> > educator...as far as I know, Marion did some tutoring in Sacramento
> at
> > some point in her career but can't find any information anywhere
> that
> > she was ever in a classroom or has a teaching degree or credential -
> > until she walked into her grandson's classroom and because he was
> > struggling with reading, she became a crusader for phonics...
> >
> > If I'm wrong, please correct me...
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arn-l-owner@interversity.org
> > [mailto:arn-l-owner@interversity.org]
> > On Behalf Of George K Cunningham
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:20 PM
> > To: arn-l@interversity.org
> > Subject: Re: [arn-l] CA - Marion Joseph leaves board
> >
> > Monte,
> >
> > I could not disagree with you more.  I know Marion and have worked
> > with
> > her.  She is  the most effective, sincere, and knowledgeable
> educators
> > I
> > have ever met.  In the past, when panels were set up by the
> California
> > Department of Education, there was an unwritten rule that there had
> to
> > be some of Marion Josephs people on them.  When the panel dealt with
> > measurement I often was appointed for that role.  I could not be
> > prouder
> > of being one of "Marion's people."
> >
> >
> > George K. Cunningham
> > University of Louisville
> >
> > >>> monty@fairtest.org 01/16/03 03:33PM >>>
> > This is from Checker Finn's 'Gadfly' email newsletter praising the
> > departing Marian Joseph. She has been in the forefront of the insane
> > so-called standards in CA (that Susan Ohanian has so well skewered),
> > phonics first last and aways programs, math as rules not thinking,
> > heavy
> > handed testing, and who knows what else. I suppose it would be
> lunacy
> > to
> > believe Gray Davis would appoint anyone any good to the Board, but
> > he'll
> > have to outdo himself to find someone worse.
> > Monty Neill, Ed.D.
> > Executive Director
> > FairTest
> > 342 Broadway
> > Cambridge, MA 02139
> > 617-864-4810; fax 617-497-2224
> > email monty@fairtest.org
> > web: http://www.fairtest.org
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