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Re: Fw: [eddra] C-Span Program (Fighting Back)

You think you're being flattered because someone finds your argument incredible? Flat-earth theorists must be basking in the glow all over the place.

Taking Susan Neuman at face value might show that some of the law's misguided supporters had bad intentions. But that does not mean that is why the law came about or that the law is working as a tool to destroy public education. You are still left with the fact that the nation's leading civil rights groups are standing by NCLB's accountability provisions - the very part of the law that you claim is destroying public education - that Miller and Kennedy are behind it, as are many liberal and progressive groups, and the nation's leading media don't see NCLB as a tool to destroy public education.

You are also left with the facts that more money is going to public education and that the public is reasonably satisfied with public education. Charles Barone, who served as a staff director for Miller and for the House committee and who actually wrote parts of NCLB, gives no credence to Neuman. During the campaign, Hilary Clinton said she herself wrote the teacher-quality part of NCLB. In the face of all this, am I really supposed to believe that the last word on NCLB belongs to Susan Neuman? Jerry says to take her testimony to the bank because she was there, but, sorry, this is beyond incredible.

Art

-----Original Message-----
From: Tauna Rogers <taunar@plateautel.net>
To: arn-l@interversity.org
Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:22 pm
Subject: Re: [arn-l] Fw: [eddra] C-Span Program (Fighting Back)


Gosh Art, I'm flattered. I was worried my idea was stupid and too forward of
me, yet you found my post "totally incredible". 
 

Have you forgotten Susan Neuman and Time magazine? I think Neuman has barely
touched the tip of the iceberg, which is not to say that I don't think some
of the lnaw's misguided supporters had good intentions. 
 

Please don't bother with your next smart-alecky remark. 
 


----- Original Message -----
From: <aburke5054@aol.com> 

To: <arn-l@interversity.org> 

Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:13 PM 

Subject: Re: [arn-l] Fw: [eddra] C-Span Program (Fighting Back) 
 


Do you really believe that if NCLB had the horrible effects you say
it has
and that if it really were a tool to discredit and privatize public
education, the nation's leading newspapers would not have caught on,
so
much of the nation's civil rights establishment would not have caught
on,
so many African-American and Hispanic parents would be supporting it,
and
George Miller and Ted Kennedy would be supporting it? I find this
totally
incredible. 

 

Art 

 

-----Original Message----- 

From: Tauna Rogers <taunar@plateautel.net> 

To: arn-l@interversity.org 

Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:29 am 

Subject: Re: [arn-l] Fw: [eddra] C-Span Program (Fighting Back) 

 

I could only stomach it in small doses. I listened to just a bit of 

Hanushek, all of what Ladd said, and nothing from Bennett. I noticed
ED in 

'08 was behind the fear mongering event. 

 

How can we fight back and get some media coverage of our own to
expose the 

myths and propoganda they are perpetuating? The massive scapegoating
and 

efforts to undermine support for public education? As the election
nears,
we 

can expect much more of this ED in '08 funded (choose your naughty
word). 

And of course it isn't just ED in '08. 

 

Maybe I'm naive and please forgive me if the following is
presumptuous of
me 

but I just want to put something out there to kick around. I noticed
C-Span 

accepts suggestions for events to cover. There are any number of 

organizations and individuals seeking to save and strengthen public 

education and democracy. A number of you on arn and eddra alone are
experts, 

more than qualified to debunk and expose the propaganda. A lot could
be 

exposed about NCLB too.Would it be practicable to unite, pool
resources,
and 

organize an event for coverage? 

 

If I'm being stupid here, let me down easy! 

 

Tauna 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Monty Neill" <monty@fairtest.org> 

To: <arn-l@interversity.org> 

Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:16 AM 

Subject: Re: [arn-l] Fw: [eddra] C-Span Program 

 

 

not mine - I won't watch it either - was Solomon's critique. Be
well, 

Monty 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Horace B Lucido" <hbl04@csufresno.edu> 

To: <arn-l@interversity.org> 

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:56 PM 

Subject: Re: [arn-l] Fw: [eddra] C-Span Program 

 

 

Monty, 

Watch this program? Why get sick on such a nice day? I would much 

rather 

read your take....at least I got a good laugh out of that. Your 

honest 

appraisal is enough for me. 

Rog 

 

Rog ( Horace ) Lucido, Physics Instructor, Ret. 

Program Evaluator 

Adjunct Faculty, Fresno Pacific University 

Educational Consultant 

Educators and Parents Against Testing Abuse ( EPATA ) 

Assessment Reform Network Central Valley Coordinator 

Phone: 559-277-1312 

Cell: 559-355-4215 

email: lucid4@cvip.net 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Monty Neill <monty@fairtest.org> 

Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 11:47 am 

Subject: [arn-l] Fw: [eddra] C-Span Program 

To: ARN-L <arn-l@interversity.org>, arn2-strategy 

<arn2-strategy@yahoogroups.com>, ndsgroup@yahoogroups.com 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: mbsolomon@aol.com 

To: eddra@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:11 PM 

Subject: [eddra] C-Span Program 

 

 

 

In case you missed it, C-Span aired a 4-hour program on the 

Economic Implications of the Crisis in American Education 

 

Notice that the title tells you that it was not intended to be an 

analytical discussion, but instead to try to explain why American 

education is broken. 

 

Unbelievably, they chose Bill Bennett, the great educational 

bloviator and Eric Hanushek, the thin-air economist to help bash 

public education. 

 

You can watch the entire 4 hours below, but I want to simply, 

quickly, point out how inane some of this stuff is. Hanushek, for 

example thinks that if there is a correlation between two 

variables, it proves cause and effect---and he gets to choose 

which variable is the cause and which is the effect. He offered 

the vacuous proposition that if the U.S. schools could improve 

test scores by a small amount, it would raise the gross national 

product such that it would pay for all of education in America 

(at 2:20). He further told his audience that if the schools could 

get rid of the worst 10% (as I recall) of teachers, U.S. students 

would be near the top in international tests. 

 

Of course, Bill Bennett gives rise to projectile vomiting, so you 

should skip his blathering from 1:31 to 2:05. The bright light of 

the entire show was Helen Ladd from Duke University who brought 

some light into a reasonably dark day. 

 

The program can be seen at: 

 

rtsp://video1.c-span.org/15days/e062708_education.rm 

 

 

 

 

 


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