Re: facts

["Peter Majoy" <pwmjoy@earthlink.net>]

Diane,

Thank you for your response here. To the point, down to earth, on the mark.  Defense of AYP is utterly treasonous of the overall goal of NCLB as is NCLB as a whole.

Peter


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Diane Aoki 
To: arn-l@interversity.org
Sent: 6/4/2006 3:17:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [arn-l] facts



The point I was making was we didn?t make AYP because of one subgroup ? the disabled. And that is why we are in restructuring. Not because we failed to make progress, as judged by our scores. You said, ?Your school is not being "restructured" because of the results of one test..  Your school is being restructured because for six consecutive years too many students failed to achieve well enough. ? By too many students, you may mean 20 out of 1000; because that is about how many disabled students didn?t meet AYP. You would have a lot more credibility if you showed some humility and listened to reason, rather than continuously spewing the official  NCLB script. Do you have an imagination? Can you imagine what it must feel like to work your butt off, dealing with families with drug problems, immigrants speaking no English, families working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet, etc. etc., have some success because your scores are pretty decent, higher than the state average, and higher than the state AYP benchmarks, but still be put into restructuring because students with learning disabilities and other problems requiring Special Education, could not do well enough on the state tests (but you know they have made progress anyway). You try it. You take a sped class and have them pass the test. Good luck. Anyways, this past year, they changed the number of students needed for the subgroup to be counted so someone must have agreed with us that it was unfair that schools be penalized for the results of one subgroup. So now we made AYP. A numbers game that has little to do with student achievement.

On 6/4/06 6:56 AM, "ABurke5054@aol.com" <ABurke5054@aol.com> wrote:


In a message dated 6/4/2006 7:19:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, shays@ccwebster.net writes:

Art  doesn't let a little thing like "facts" get in his way ....

Scott  Hays
shays@ccwebster.net


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Really?  Show me one example where I have been wrong on the "facts" (define "facts" in Hays-speak).
 
Art




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