Re: naep vs state scores

["GERALD BRACEY" <gbracey1@verizon.net>]

Right.  That was the purpose of my article--to try and head that off and to 
keep the current performance from being seen as appropriately accurate.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Monty Neill" <monty@fairtest.org>
To: <arn-l@interversity.org>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [arn-l] naep vs state scores


> Seems to me that makes them still provisional, whatever the label might 
> be. I was asked by a staffer whether this issue should be raised. My fear 
> is NCES or NAGB or whomever will 'finalize' the current levels since they 
> perform the useful political task of making most states look bad.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "GERALD BRACEY" <gbracey1@verizon.net>
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> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:51 AM
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>
> > Monty, they don't mention that they're provisional because they're NOT 
> > provisional.  The reports from the early 90's indicated that they were 
> > and they were to be used only until someone developed something better. 
> > No one has developed anything better and no one is working on the issue. 
> > After my op-ed that cut the legs out from under the achievement levels, I 
> > was told that Darvin Winick of NAGB had decided to "lay low" about it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Monty Neill" <monty@fairtest.org>
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> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:33 PM
> > Subject: [arn-l] naep vs state scores
> >
> >
> > NCES has just released its report linking state scores to state scores - 
> > or rather, percent proficient on state tests to percent proficient on 
> > NAEP tests.
> >
> > The table that shows the comparisons at no point makes clear that the 
> > NAEP levels are provisional. 
> > http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/researchcenter/statemapping_t1.asp
> > Never mind that independent researchers such as NAS and NAE have found 
> > the levels setting to be profoundly flawed and set too high.
> >
> > In a paper for PARE, Bert Stoneberg makes may points re: comparing state 
> > and NAEP, among them:
> >    - "The percentage at or above basic is the appropriate NAEP statistic 
> > for confirming state AYP results." This was the conclusion of the NAEP 
> > validity studies panel. In 2005, NAEP some of the narratives and charts 
> > focused more on basic than proficient.
> >   - "Confirmation of state testing results should not be conducted on a 
> > point-by-point basis." He cites a NAGB Ad Hoc committee which drew this 
> > conclusion - apparently ignored in this latest NCES report.
> >
> > To keep this short, I will not go on. The report is available at 
> > http://pareonline.net/pdf/v12n5.pdf.
> >
> > Monty
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