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Dropouts: a video podcast


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  • Subject: Dropouts: a video podcast
  • From: Sherman Dorn <sdorn@tempest.coedu.usf.edu>
  • Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 08:34:38 -0400
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Peter Campbell writes:

> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/july-dec04/dropouts_11-30.html
> This report makes the phenomenon of high-school "push-outs" crystal clear.

Sometimes I wish that journalists' reports made the scope of problems clear, but they don't. They do more to call attention to a phenomenon (which has been written about since at least a 1973 report "The Student Push-out" - get my 1996 book Creating the Dropout if you want all the gory details of the history of concerns over dropping out) than to really quantify or analyze it. Florida is a good case in point. We know from Merrow's podcast that the number of W26s moved in one year from about 11,000 to 17,000. That's alarming, but it doesn't tell us how much the Florida formula hides. Florida has over 2 million K-12 students every year, and while 6,000 would be a huge number in many states, it may not significantly affect the official graduation rate in Florida. For that, we need to dig into the numbers behind the calculation. Yes, I intend to ask, since it's in my research area, but we just don't know. Principals can be and sometimes are wrong about how to game the system. (Note: That doesn't mean that some don't try to game the system even if they're wrong about how to do it. Of course you find plenty of gaming.)

And even so, there's a difference between documenting the effect of the W26 exclusion on graduation rates -- I'd certainly want W26s counted as attrition -- and the claim that a specific policy caused any change in graduation. In part because graduation rates are highly sensitive to inaccurate estimates of migration/transferring, I have to be skeptical of claims just from statistical evidence. It'd be necessary to confirm that with evidence from school counselors that they are pressured to shift students into GED classes.

Sherman Dorn
University of South Florida
http://www.coedu.usf.edu/~dorn
http://www.shermandorn.com



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