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Dropouts: a video podcast
- To: arn-l@interversity.org
- Subject: Dropouts: a video podcast
- From: Sherman Dorn <sdorn@tempest.coedu.usf.edu>
- Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 08:34:38 -0400
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Peter Campbell writes:
>
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/july-dec04/dropouts_11-30.html
> This report makes the phenomenon of high-school "push-outs" crystal
clear.
Sometimes I wish that journalists' reports made the scope of problems
clear, but they don't. They do more to call attention to a phenomenon
(which has been written about since at least a 1973 report "The Student
Push-out" - get my 1996 book Creating the Dropout if you want all the
gory details of the history of concerns over dropping out) than to
really quantify or analyze it. Florida is a good case in point. We know
from Merrow's podcast that the number of W26s moved in one year from
about 11,000 to 17,000. That's alarming, but it doesn't tell us how much
the Florida formula hides. Florida has over 2 million K-12 students
every year, and while 6,000 would be a huge number in many states, it
may not significantly affect the official graduation rate in Florida.
For that, we need to dig into the numbers behind the calculation. Yes, I
intend to ask, since it's in my research area, but we just don't know.
Principals can be and sometimes are wrong about how to game the system.
(Note: That doesn't mean that some don't try to game the system even if
they're wrong about how to do it. Of course you find plenty of gaming.)
And even so, there's a difference between documenting the effect of the
W26 exclusion on graduation rates -- I'd certainly want W26s counted as
attrition -- and the claim that a specific policy caused any change in
graduation. In part because graduation rates are highly sensitive to
inaccurate estimates of migration/transferring, I have to be skeptical
of claims just from statistical evidence. It'd be necessary to confirm
that with evidence from school counselors that they are pressured to
shift students into GED classes.
Sherman Dorn
University of South Florida
http://www.coedu.usf.edu/~dorn
http://www.shermandorn.com
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