Re: Justification for the SAT

[gerald bracey <gbracey@EROLS.COM>]

Again, this depends very much on the institution.  Although my Dean of Men
at William and Mary proudly announced that only 50% of us would get a
degree--a sign of high standards--the graduation rate and W & M, UVA and
other state 4-year institutions in much higher than 50%.  At the community
colleges, it's much lower.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Canty" <kscanty@PACBELL.NET>
To: <ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Justification for the SAT


> And didn't I just read a report somewhere that 44% of students in public
> universities and 52% in private universities graduate from college?  So
why
> are we so worried about how many/what sex/who gets in?  if the graduation
> rate from our high schools were this low, we'd be forced out of
business!!!!
>
> Karen
>
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> [mailto:ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU]On Behalf Of dennis roberts
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 2:43 PM
> To: ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Justification for the SAT
>
>
> let's face it ... there is no justification for relying on any one measure
> ... in the student's record ... to determine if they should go to college
> and/ or should be offered admission to college
>
> however, most would agree that there are some things more important than
> others ...
>
> whether they did will in "gym" in high school would NOT be one of them
>
> their score on a spelling test might not be another either
>
> or whether they were in the band
>
> but, there are a number of major tests and courses ... and grades ... and
> accomplishments ... that are ...
>
> can we PLEASE abandon the notion that ONE thing is all important?
>
> in addition ... we have to face another fact ...
>
> no matter WHAT you toss into the pot or don't toss into the pot ... for
> predicting college success ... or (from the perspective of the typical
> college admissions officer) for deciding to offer admission or not offer
> admission ... more than 50% of the variation we see in college grades ...
> IS TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE ...
>
> there are so many reasons why kids opt to try to go to college or not ...
> to do well or not well in college ... or finish or not finish college ...
> that are serendipitous ... random occurrences that "just present"
> themselves to the student at moments in time (personal crises, financial
> crises, smart but deteriorating level of motivation, lucky chance at jobs,
> etc. etc. ) ... that we need to take ALL attempts to estimate "potential"
> success with a grain of salt
>
> while a variety of factors can be helpful in counseling high school
> students about college ... and, used to make admissions decisions ... NONE
> of these will be REAL successful ...
>
>
>
>
> ==============================================================
> dennis roberts, penn state university
> educational psychology, 8148632401
> http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/droberts/drober~1.htm
>
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