Re: Fw: patriotism

[Art Burke <aburke@VANSD.ORG>]

>>> edwardjenner1969@HOTMAIL.COM 09/25 8:52 AM >>>
...
what rights parents have to opt-out in the public schools.  The Barnett case was an important one.  I'd like to know how we can analogize it to curbing student testing.
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Parents have wide rights to "opt" their kids out of participation in school activities.  "Curbing student testing" is  going in the direction of opting other parents' kids out of school activities.  That is a cookie of a different topping.

Art




>From: Daria A Stoner <sac71095@SACLINK.CSUS.EDU>
>Reply-To: Assessment Reform Network Mailing List <ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU>
>To: ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU 
>Subject: Re: Fw: patriotism
>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:37:20 -0700
>
>For starters, when Dubya said, "If you're not with me, you're a terrorist."
>
>On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Edward Jenner wrote:
>
> > Seems to me that all those blah blah blah's are freedom of speech too
>and
> > letters to the editor, pretty sure they fall in that category also.
>And
> > that parent, who from your description seems to have been acting poorly
>and
> > innapropriately around children, nonetheless that was freedom of
>expression
> > also--just a poor example.  It's not as much fun when we don't agree
>with it
> > though, particuarly when the preponderance runs in one direction.  But,
>I
> > still don't see how we've lost our rights to free speech or expression.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Daria A Stoner <sac71095@SACLINK.CSUS.EDU>
> > >Reply-To: Assessment Reform Network Mailing List <ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU>
> > >To: ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU 
> > >Subject: Re: Fw: patriotism
> > >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:36:42 -0700
> > >
> > >Is that what you understood from my post?? Yikes, that's scary.  It was
> > >only that ONE parent I was concerned about, not the legions of other
> > >letters to the editors, verbal interactions, blah, blah that i've been
> > >seeing recently.  I'm sorry to have been so brief.  Next time I'll use
> > >the list to record every conceivable example I see.
> > >Daria
> > >
> > >On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Edward Jenner wrote:
> > >
> > > > yeah,great point, one out of control parent does prove that we've
>lost
> > > > freedom of speech.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Daria A Stoner <sac71095@SACLINK.CSUS.EDU>
> > > > >Reply-To: Assessment Reform Network Mailing List
><ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU>
> > > > >To: ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU 
> > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: patriotism
> > > > >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:36:19 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >In the best of times, I agree we don't mandate things like this.
>In
> > > > >times like the present, we seem to be mandating all sorts of
> > >uniformity.
> > > > >Which American way are we fighting for?  Not the one that includes
> > > > >dissent... A teacher at our school was verbally attacked by a
>parent
> > > > >today, in front of her students, for not being sufficiently
>patriotic
> > >to
> > > > >suit the parent's taste.  Would that we HAD freedom of expression.
> > > > >Daria Stoner
> > > > >
> > > > >On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Edward Jenner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This misses the point.  Many of the ideas expressed are
>commendable
> > >and
> > > > >in
> > > > > > fact I agree with most but what makes us different than some of
>the
> > > > > > societies we're now in conflict with is that we don't mandate
>things
> > > > >like
> > > > > > this, we have freedom of expression etc... governed by taste and
> > >custom
> > > > > > rather than edicts from on high.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to see it entitled 10 ideas for the new crisis or
>something
> > > > >like
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Judi Hirsch <judih@OUSD.K12.CA.US>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Assessment Reform Network Mailing List
> > ><ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU>
> > > > > > >To: ARN-L@LISTS.CUA.EDU 
> > > > > > >Subject: Fw: patriotism
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:39:12 -0700
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >FW: patriotism
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: David Lippman
> > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:52 AM
> > > > > > >Subject: Fw: patriotism
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >TEN PROPOSED NEW LAWS FOR THIS CRISIS:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >         1. To buy an American flag, you must present proof
> > > > > > >you have voted at least once in the last three elections (yes,
> > >local
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >state elections count).
> > > > > > >         2. To display an American flag in any form, you must
> > > > > > >present proof of voter registration.
> > > > > > >         3. To wave an American flag in public, you must be
> > > > > > >able to name at least one of the following:
> > > > > > >                         A. Your Senator
> > > > > > >                         B. Your Representative
> > > > > > >                         C. Your President ("George Bush" does
>not
> > > > >count;
> > > > > > >ambiguous)
> > > > > > >         4. To sell any product with an American flag on it,
> > > > > > >you must answer the following question:
> > > > > > >         The Bill of Rights is part of: the Constitution; the
> > > > > > >Magna Carta; the Declaration of Independence.
> > > > > > >         5. Those heard singing patriotic songs in public may
> > > > > > >be asked to show their voter registration cards.
> > > > > > >         6. To be permitted to scream "Nuke Afghanistan," you
> > > > > > >must be able to correctly locate Afghanistan on a map or globe.
> > > > > > >         7. To be permitted to scream "Arabs go home," you
> > > > > > >must list and correctly locate ten Arab homelands.
> > > > > > >         8. Those who wish to express opinions about Arabs and
> > > > > > >Arab-Americans must pass the following test:
> > > > > > >                         A. Those who follow the religion of
>Islam
> > >are
> > > > > > >called:
> > > > > > >                         Moslems Muslins Fanatics
> > > > > > >                         B. The holy book of Islam is called:
> > > > > > >                         The Koran The Koram The Bible
> > > > > > >                         C. In Arabic, God is called:
> > > > > > >                         Ali Allah Jehovah
> > > > > > >         9. Priority for purchase of American flags will be
> > > > > > >given to those whose ancestors lived on American soil the
>longest.
> > > > > > >When all American Indians who wish to display the red, white
>and
> > >blue
> > > > > > >are satisfied, other applicants will be accepted.
> > > > > > >         10. A call for war on any radio talk-show will be
> > > > > > >construed as a public declaration of willingness to enlist in
>the
> > >US
> > > > > > >Army; callers will have 24 hours to complete the paperwork.
> > > > > > >
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